Brian Hooker Rewards Wakefield For Betraying Whistleblower

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By Jake Crosby

Andrew Wakefield betrayed the trust of autism parent Dr. Brian Hooker and CDC whistleblower Dr. William Thompson by revealing his identity without his permission, eliminating any chance of widespread media coverage while giving his name away to CDC. Yet in spite of this, Dr. Hooker has apparently allowed Wakefield to be named with him in a formal complaint filed to CDC’s Office of Research Integrity. The complaint is based on the information Dr. Thompson disclosed.

Autism Investigated was first made aware of this debacle on Facebook, where a woman named Candyce Estave asked:

“I learned on Twitter that more news coming on Wednesday, this coming week, about ‪#‎CDCwhistleblower‬??? Anyone care to confirm? Brian Hooker?”

Sure enough, Brian Hooker confirmed in the comments:

“A complaint will be filed against the CDC in the Office of Research Integrity. The complaint is based on the whistleblower information”

Contributor and PR Coordinator for “Team TMR” Michelle Taff Schneider then elaborated:

“A formal complaint has been submitted to the Office of Research Integrity on behalf of Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Dr. Brian Hooker, detailing many of the events and evidence related to the fraudulent DeStefano paper. There is truly a mountain of disturbing, damning proof. The complaint will be made public on Age of Autism this week.”

Then confirming where she heard the news, Michelle Taff Schneider wrote: “Andy spoke of it publicly today at his Autism Education Summit lecture.”

Trying to get confirmation from Dr. Hooker, I wrote:

Brian, is it true you’re rewarding Wakefield for betraying the whistleblower? Please confirm.”

I called Brian Hooker and left a voice message, then got the following text from him about Wakefield:

“He has been cooperating recently regarding the media around the wb”

This is in spite of the fact that Wakefield has been continuously releasing videos with snippets of the whistleblower’s voice from when Brian Hooker recorded him without permission, including one most recently from a few days ago.

The attachment of Wakefield’s name to Dr. Thompson’s whistle-blowing will continue to be a major boost for those looking to discredit the story. A CDC-tied writer for ABC News has already lumped together Wakefield and Hooker by portraying them as dishonest researchers with retracted papers after the publisher BioMed Central and its journal Translational Neurodegeneration wrongly retracted Hooker’s reanalysis of CDC’s MMR study. TIME’s science editor and self-styled “Science Cop” Jeffrey Kluger – who has cozy vaccine ties to Salk’s son among others – posted a 2-minute video that “debunked” the whistleblower and ended with a photo-shopped mugshot of Wakefield.

Rather than enabling Wakefield to further mar the whistleblower story, Dr. Hooker should have condemned Wakefield for releasing the whistleblower’s identity months ago. A condemnation is all the more necessary now with Wakefield raising money for his own documentary to further hijack the whistleblower saga, but Dr. Hooker is now doing the polar opposite.

Should the whistleblower’s case against CDC fail, Brian Hooker’s latest fateful decision to include Wakefield’s name on his complaint may well be the cause.

Jake Crosby is editor of Autism Investigated. He is a 2011 graduate of Brandeis University with a Bachelor of Arts in both History and Health: Science, Society and Policy and a 2013 graduate of The George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services with a Master of Public Health in Epidemiology. He currently attends the University of Texas School of Public Health where he is studying for a Ph.D. in Epidemiology.

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196 Thoughts on “Brian Hooker Rewards Wakefield For Betraying Whistleblower

  1. Lawrence on October 20, 2014 at 9:11 am said:

    @Jake – so, he’ll comment on this, but he’s still not “ready” to discuss the full retraction of his research paper?

    And you’re still not seeing a ton of red flags?

    • Brian Hooker discussed that with me too. He didn’t reveal much except to say he agreed with me on it, which was no surprise.

      This, however, is a complete surprise.

      • Lawrence on October 20, 2014 at 1:54 pm said:

        @Jake – “he didn’t reveal too much?” Seriously? You take that for an answer?

        He’s got the retraction letter, he knows exactly why the paper was yanked & yet he doesn’t tell you?

        It is painfully obvious that you are blinded by your devotion to Hooker (and now that you’ve disowned Wakefield, or perhaps it is the other way around or mutual for that matter), you are grasping for straws.

        I had hopes that you would actually attempt to get the the bottom of this – at least get real information out of Hooker instead of platitudes…I mean, “he agrees with you?” It’s his damn paper – and he doesn’t know any better?

        Red flags on this are everywhere Jake, you just don’t want to see them.

  2. That twitter feed under the fundraising request from Wakefield is pretty revealing. Candice Estave reveals that she’s under the impression that Wakefield is a licensed doctor. Maybe if Brian Hooker looks at things like this he will realize that Wakefield is not a asset to him, but a liability. Not everyone loves Andy.

      • justthestats on October 20, 2014 at 11:21 pm said:

        Jake, do you think that Andrew Wakefield is the kind of person who might lie about having IRB approval for a study, or fudging the date when autism was first diagnosed in a handful of patients?

        • My opinion of the Lancet paper remains the same, even though I no longer consider Wakefield to be honest.

          • chemfreemom on July 3, 2015 at 2:00 pm said:

            I’m so confused after just finding this website? Why do you think Wakefield is dishonest, why do you seem to hate him? (I’ve seen you slam him in about 4 articles so far)

            • I don’t hate him but I certainly hate what he’s done in this case. He claimed he had the whistleblower’s permission to out him but didn’t, that’s what I call dishonest.

    • yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 1:31 pm said:

      Autism parents are fully aware that Dr. Wakefield’s license was wrongfully revoked due to the UK witch-hunt to preserve Pharma at all costs(including destroying the health of children), however the autism community still holds him in very high esteem for the irrefutable dedication, courage and fight he carries on for autistic people.

      • And Dr. Thompson was wrongly outed due to Dr. Wakefield.

        • yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 5:30 pm said:

          No, Dr. Wakefield wrongly suffered personally and professionally due to Dr. Thompson, et al and their CDC fraud regarding MMR all these years

          • Now Wakefield will suffer personally and professionally even more due to his own outing of the whistleblower.

            • yankhadenuf on October 22, 2014 at 1:30 pm said:

              Clearly this is your real motive, and the true agenda of THIS website.

              William Thompson’s outing forced him to verify that he is indeed the co-author of the fraudulent CDC paper, and confirm the CDC fraud, on his lawyer’s website’s official press release.

              • Er no, that will be the result of what Wakefield has done with or without Autism Investigated because it is the result of what he has done. The whistleblower was going to come forward anyway, but he was prevented from doing so effectively by Wakefield.

                • yankhadenuf on October 22, 2014 at 3:08 pm said:

                  The whistleblower was going to come forward anyways? When?

                  The whistleblower has come forward. He brought Congressman Posey the CDC documents. Congressman Posey investigated the whistleblower CDC documents, parents’ input, etc. Congressman Posey has passed along his investigation to federal authorities. Autism Parents are still vigilant and active every day.

                  • See here – note he was referred to as a whistleblower from CDC even though it also said “he wishes to remain anonymous.” Wakefield did not honor that wish, and Hooker has decided to look the other way. None of this had any bearing on the documents Posey received. For someone so quick to judge the motives of this site, you sure haven’t been following it much.

            • chemfreemom on July 3, 2015 at 2:03 pm said:

              Perhaps, but it shouldn’t be at the hand of people who share his desire to protect children from being harmed by vaccines. The only thing being harmed here is the united front that everyone who knows VAX harm children should maintain at all costs.

  3. yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 1:12 pm said:

    I am having a great deal of difficulty with your op-ed. You seem to be aghast about the recording and revealing a person(without permission) who has caused great harm, permanent injury, even death to millions of innocents in USA and throughout the world, no doubt without their permission nor the permission of their parents(since so many were underage to give permission to destroy their health for a lifetime.)

    Imho, your article throws the babies out with the bathwater.

    • The problem is that the former will only exacerbate the latter.

      • yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 4:17 pm said:

        I don’t understand how.
        The CDC abuses have been hidden for years causing much damage to the victims.
        Autism community has only felt empowered with the truth since the whistleblower was revealed, and subsequently verified himself and CDC fraud with his official press release afterwards

        • The way he was outed was not empowering; it empowered CDC by killing any chance of widespread media coverage, unnecessarily marring the story with Wakefield’s name and revealing the whistleblower’s identity TO the CDC.

          • yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 5:08 pm said:

            MSM never would have covered this story whether it was hidden or revealed! The only thing MSM has done for years and years is parrot the CDC fraud spiel. That is all MSM will ever do until the whole truth comes out in a Congressional Hearing via CSPAN.

            Any whistleblower is safer in the open light instead of hiding in the shadows. If he was unknown, he would have only been known to the CDC (easy enough for CDC to figure out once Brian Hooker’s research paper reanalyzing CDC hidden data was published last August). The CDC could have unceremoniously fired him, and not even autism community would have known of him.

            The social media forced the story to be viral because it IS revealed, and most importantly, verified.

  4. Kathleen on October 20, 2014 at 2:30 pm said:

    Jake, Is this “Autism Investigated” or “I hate Dr. Wakefield and Want Everyone to Know”?
    No journalism here today:-( Just sour grapes. Truly disappointing direction you have taken with your writing and I can see that this is not a website I will chose to continue to read if it is simply to throw mud at Dr. Wakefield. Yo are doing more harm than good…if Dr. Hooker has made his choice why are you tarnishing both with this bit of smarty pants writing?

    • Because the choice he made was terrible.

      • Kathleen on October 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm said:

        We all make terrible choices at some point in our lives….Agree or disagree with Wakefield’s choice to “out” Thompson…and be done. Wakefield felt he was doing the right thing for the right reason. I happen to agree with him, but even if I didn’t I would take a step back and realize that we are on the same side…just happen to not agree on everything…life goes on…Oh Jake, this type of writing is beneath you…really….and I say this as someone who as followed your writing for a long time and have had only the utmost respect for you. Please end this.

    • yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 4:53 pm said:

      I am sadly in agreement with you Kathleen, the truly shocking lines of the article are:
      ‘ Trying to get confirmation from Dr. Hooker, I wrote:
      “Brian, is it true you’re rewarding Wakefield for betraying the whistleblower? Please confirm.” ‘

      Jake asked an obviously leading if not rhetorical question, and to what end?
      What is your motive by doing this, Jake?

      I too am very troubled by this direction of this website. I thought it was Autism Investigated, not Wakefield Smeared,Again(been there done that). Autism community is tired of the derision, and want truth out about autism/vaccine link.

      At very worst, it sounds like a vendetta op-ed(and very unclear why); at very least, a gossip column.

  5. Kathleen on October 20, 2014 at 2:31 pm said:

    *choose not chose

  6. Victory on October 20, 2014 at 2:50 pm said:

    Just thought I’d make a point that Dr,Thompson wasn’t a whistleblower at the time Dr.Wakefield made his revelation, besides what makes you think that this wasn’t planned out? I agree with Dr.Hooker, anyone that helps expose the coverup by the damage being done to children should be exposed and rewarded, what is exactly wrong with that? I thought that this site was dedicated to uncovering the causes of autism, and those behind the ongoing lifelong misery for many (vaccine induced autism), instead it now seams as if Autism Investigated is investigating those that are trying to get to the bottom of this tragedy.

  7. Carol Waters on October 20, 2014 at 3:22 pm said:

    Thompson was not betrayed. Thompson is the betrayer. He participated in fraud at the expense of children’s health. So many children effected by autism as a direct result of him being silent about the fraud at the CDC. He was silent for not days or weeks or even months, but over 10 years. Why was Thompson speaking with Hooker in those phone calls? He spoke with him to freely give information. I do not believe Hooker had any responsibility to keep Thompson anonymous. When a crime has been committed, you lose that right…period. Thompson committed fraud. He should be in jail, not having his identity protected. NO betrayal here Jacob!!

    • So make an example out of the whistleblower by throwing him in jail. And what about his colleagues who are still lying and who he is finally speaking out against? What message would that send out to any other potential whistleblowers who might otherwise come forward?

      • Carol Waters on October 20, 2014 at 8:24 pm said:

        By your own admission Thompson didn’t come forward. He reports that he didn’t know he was being taped and never meant for it to come out to the public. The public being me and millions of other moms who make decisions based on fraudulent studies like his. In fact, the whistleblower (Thompson) is not a whistleblower at all. He got caught. He and his colleagues SHOULD go to jail because 1-they committed fraud against the American public and 2-They are not whistleblowers. If he was in fact an actual whistleblower who came forward after realizing wrongdoing it would be one thing. He didn’t. He actively went along with it and participated. A real whistleblower should have protection, but that’s not Thompson.

  8. White Rose on October 20, 2014 at 4:19 pm said:

    Carol
    Despite his previous conduct , Thompson must not be jailed imho.
    We must treat him like a hero – at least he has a conscience – look at the others eg Colleen Boyle .
    And if other whistleblowers come forward – we must treat them like heroes also .
    The brazen cheek of these remaining vaccine criminals is quite smthg to behold .
    We need William Thompson and more like him . We must encourage him & others .

    I suspect there are more people working in diffcult positions who very much regret their previous conduct .
    Now is the time to step forward – and clear yourselves .
    Without the William Thompsons of this world we would have very little hope of dismantling this nasty sordid little plan that someone from the “elite” has put together .
    Likely the reason WT stepped forward was that he could plainly see the huge grand scale ambition of these eugenicists (& likely feared no-one would be spared – particularly those in the know).

    For me the policy of mandating vaccines to the masses (even against some parents better judgement) lies in complete tatters – I dont need a religious exemption or any other kind of exemption now to tell the “authorities\murderers” where to shove their nasty noxicity .

    I for one , am happy to thank William Thompson for his recent actions . We need more like him .
    And wish him and his family well .

    • Carol Waters on October 20, 2014 at 8:29 pm said:

      You’re forgetting that Thompson did not actually come forward. Just because he spoke with Hooker means nothing. As he himself said, he did not even know he was being recorded and had no intention of revealing anything. If it wasn’t for the efforts of Hooker and Wakefield, Thompson would still be silent and would still be committing fraud, and would still be lying to the American public-moms like me who make judgments on the health of our kids based on his and others’ fraudulent studies. HERO???!! How is that being a hero??? Being caught doing something illegal doesn’t make someone a whistleblower and Thompson is no whistleblower. A whistleblower comes forward. Thompson hasn’t done that to date. We need more like him? Think about what you’re saying. He is still at CDC. He still promotes vaccines. He still has not come forward with all he knows. sh

      • Carol Waters on October 20, 2014 at 8:34 pm said:

        THANK Thompson???!!!! Maybe since he knew about the vaccine=autism link as early as 2000 and my son was born in ’08, vaccine injured in ’09, and fully regressed by ’10 I should THANK HIM for my son’s AUTISM! If he had grown some balls and been a man and come forward on his own when he realized the fraud, maybe my son and many others would have been spared the illness called autism. I’m thankful he got CAUGHT. I’m not thankful to him.

  9. White Rose on October 20, 2014 at 5:04 pm said:

    Carol , furthermore we have the two Merck scientists who have revealed the mumps vaccine fraud and are currently going through legal process right now (at huge embarrassment to Muck) .

    And we have the two HPV gardasil whistleblowers (Diane Harper & Bernard D’Albergue). Two more insiders who have revealed the workings and criminality of the vaccine inner sanctum .
    And how the Gardasil vaccine is harming and destroying so many young lives .

    These people are huge blows to the international vaccine program . The “vaccine solution” .

    Really all that is holding this “evil plot” together now is the censorship within the media .
    They are having huge problems in Chile , in France and now wonderfully in Atlanta .
    Melinda & Bill Gates will tire of seeing their reputations sullied like this . Melinda ? are you reading ?

    I’m convinced the dam is about to breech – we are so close now .
    There will be plenty of people to prosecute and imprison after that time . Where is Offit going to run to ?
    There will be no amnesty .

    • yankhadenuf on October 20, 2014 at 5:38 pm said:

      On a side note, I was just thinking yesterday how the internet has become the White Rose for millions of victims of , as you say, the “Vaccine Solution”.

    • Carol Waters on October 20, 2014 at 8:31 pm said:

      The Merck scientists who came forward…came forward. The two whistleblowers from Gardisil…came forward. They are heroes. Thompson? He got turned in by Hooker and Wakefield. They are the heroes in this, not Thompson. Thompson said he was not a whistleblower. He is still promoting vaccines. He is still employed with CDC.

  10. Media Scholar on October 20, 2014 at 11:26 pm said:

    So, to recap…the always pensive for preeminence Andrew Wakefield has deliberately seized upon and directly tainted the Hooker work which shows the US Centers For Disease Control obfuscated numbers signaling causal relationship between MMR and Autism by fudging figures.

    The CDC Anti-Litigation Squash Squad and International Vaccine Rescue Emergency Operations Jump Team VI have gone berserk with the usual extreme, in your face, unfair and inappropriate pressure on just about everybody, including Hooker’s publisher, and, amusingly, Autism Investigated here, to eliminate, make small, wipe off the face of the earth, Hooker based on his association with the taint-master Wakefield.

    “”It is extraordinary to me that you cannot take care of yourselves and your children. One or the other of you is forever in my way. How do I know what injury you have done my horses?”

  11. White Rose on October 21, 2014 at 9:07 am said:

    Carol – my child was also damaged in this time frame . I believe these plans have been laid out as far back as the Nixon Kissinger years . William Thompson is mere cog in the wheel . He knew exactly who he was talking to in those phone calls . He knew Brian Hooker had a damaged child . He knew what Brian Hooker stands for .

    Have you read the Simpsonwood transcript from 2001 ? 100 or so people all knew then .
    None of those have come forawrd , so in that respect , William Thompson is a hero .

    Vaccine Derived Autism is no accident , they have known from the beginning .

    In 1995 the BBC Panarama program reported the uncovering of a Canadian led plot in the Phillipines of a Tetanus vaccine program where the 80% of the vials were laced with HGH to bring about the sterilisation of young women – they say 3M were surreptitiously sterilised . The catholic church uncovered it (Sister Peroza).

    There was no way we could ever have avoided what happened to our children . The media is a large part of the problem , brainwashing people into believing the authorities .

    You see 7bn people is just considered too many .
    The number of childless couples I meet who cannot conceive now (presumably after long term contraceptive use) – and if you talk to midwives from the 60’s – the reverse was very much the case – people simply couldnt stop falling pregnant . And put this question in google and you will be met with a barage of misinformation denying what I’m alleging here . In fact long term use of the pill promotes fertility according to the media .

    • justthestats on October 21, 2014 at 5:25 pm said:

      80% of the vials were laced with HGH to bring about the sterilisation of young women

      Sounds like your alleged plot was pretty incompetent, given that sterilisation is not a known side-effect of HGH, and HGH is something that is naturally produced in large amounts during puberty.

      • Kathleen on October 22, 2014 at 7:49 pm said:

        Wrong.

        “However, when introduced into the body coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies will be formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. In this case the body fails to recognize hCG as a friend and will produce anti-hCG antibodies. The antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG which naturally sustains a pregnancy; when a woman has sufficient anti-hCG antibodies in her system, she is rendered incapable of maintaining a pregnancy.”

        http://thinktwice.com/birthcon.htm

        • justthestats on October 22, 2014 at 9:46 pm said:

          Ah, HCG, not HGH, and in the attempt to trigger production of antibodies, not a direct effect. Still incompetent, given that the anti-HCG vaccines at the time were either ineffective or cross-reactive with LH, which means that it would have caused amenorrhea in the people that got it. You would think that the conspirators would have realized making every woman who got the vaccine lose her period would be . . . suspicious.

          I’m curious — “lacing” the vials with HCG isn’t sufficient, because HCG is pretty good at diffusing through the bloodstream. It also makes sense that more is required than just the presence of immune triggers because otherwise any pregnant woman that got a cold would train her immune system to attack HCG and we’d all be only children. The HCG has to be conjugated with something like tetanus toxoid in order for the immune system to learn to attack it — in other words, the HCG peptide chains have to be all wadded up with the tetanus peptide chains.

          This makes me wonder — did the lab that is reported to have discovered small amounts of HCG make sure it was conjugated with something that triggers an immune response, and not the kind that they test for in pregnancy tests? Would such a modified HCG even show up on a test for regular HCG? Did they also make sure that there wasn’t cross contamination from any pregnancy tests they might have been doing, for that matter?

          • Kathleen on October 23, 2014 at 2:15 am said:

            This is where the tetanus component comes in. It illicit s a rapid response and is why it was coupled with the other antigens in the vaccine in question. I suppose it is all still a “theory” since the outcome may or may not have come to fruition…but the fact was a concerted effort to achieve sterilization through vaccination.

            • Kathleen on October 23, 2014 at 2:22 am said:

              I have never found any actual data following the question as to why women of child-bearing years were the only ones to receive multiple inoculations and children, men, and older women did not. Without proof, I only know at this point in my life and skepticism….where there is smoke there is fire.

              • justthestats on October 23, 2014 at 4:01 pm said:

                I have never found any actual data following the question as to why women of child-bearing years were the only ones to receive multiple inoculations and children, men, and older women did not.

                I got tired of trying to play the telephone game backwards in time to anything that resembled a primary or even secondary document, but if I remember correctly from the less garbled, more original sources they were focusing on administering Td to unvaccinated women of childbearing age because they were most likely to spend a large amount of time around infants too young to be immunized to diphtheria themselves, and a tiny baby with diphtheria is seriously bad news. That also explains why there were multiple doses — the standard procedure for unvaccinated adults involves three doses.

                Without proof, I only know at this point in my life and skepticism

                Your skepticism’s a little broken if you believe an implausible conjecture you find in 57th-hand sources and that doesn’t match up very well with easily found information such as how real anti-HCG vaccines only contain proteins that are fairly different from HCG and the date that the first anti-HCG vaccines that weren’t cross-reactive to LH were developed.

                ….where there is smoke there is fire.

                Oh, there’s fire, all right. The fire is that some people get worked up about contraception, and some people get worked up about vaccines. But just because someone accuses someone of something and the accusation goes viral doesn’t necessarily make the accusation anywhere near correct.

              • justthestats on October 24, 2014 at 2:55 pm said:

                I just thought of something. If the motivation really was to sterilize people, there’s no reason to restrict it to adult women. It would be effective on children as well (although it would take longer for people to notice), and LH does something in men as well — without it sperm count goes down to infertile levels, and in boys LH is an important part of triggering puberty.

            • justthestats on October 23, 2014 at 3:28 pm said:

              This is where the tetanus component comes in. It illicit s a rapid response and is why it was coupled with the other antigens in the vaccine in question.

              Like I said, it’s not enough to simply have a tetanus “component” or other antigens. You have to conjugate the HCG with the tetanus toxoid. You have to create a molecule that that is composed of HCG and tetanus toxoid polypeptides. As you can imagine, this creates a molecule that has some HCG epitopes, and some TT epitopes.

              Since some of the potential epitopes from each component end up inside with the conjunction, and other conform differently because they are folded up against the other component, not all epitopes from each present themselves to the immune system, and the molecular weight and other chemical properties of the conjunction are different from HCG and tetanus toxoid.

              Obviously, a method of detecting HCG based on chemical properties wouldn’t identify the conjugation as HCG. Since the anti-HCG vaccines of the time sensitized the immune system to LH as well, probably most if not all of the epitopes presented by the conjugates were LH epitopes as well. (LH is extremely similar to HCG.) Epitope-based methods of detecting HCG, such as ELISA are designed to not be sensitive to LH. So they would be unlikely to detect the HCG/TT conjugates that were known at the time.

              TL;DR: if they really were doing what you are accusing them of doing, it wouldn’t have shown up on a generic test for HCG. You would have had to have used a specialized test.

              I suppose it is all still a “theory” since the outcome may or may not have come to fruition…but the fact was a concerted effort to achieve sterilization through vaccination.

              It’s actually also just a theory that it was was a concerted effort to achieve sterilization through vaccination. It’s not a very good theory, because it doesn’t fit the fact that HCG was detected, not a conjugate molecule that happens to sort of look to the immune system like HCG, LH, and TT.

              There’s also the motivation issue. It hasn’t been hard for vaccine scientists to find volunteers for anti-HCG vaccines — people with cancer that expresses HCG are generally pretty interested in trying anything that will give them a better chance of surviving. Why would they go this route instead? The huge outbreak of amenorrhea among the vacccinated would have certainly have gotten a lot of attention and would have almost certainly have gotten them in serious trouble. And even if they didn’t get in trouble they wouldn’t have gotten followups to be able to determine how effective they were. It would have been worthless.

              The facts are much more consistent with run-of-the-mill cross-contamination either on the part of the lab that mode the vaccines or the lab that did the testing. While it’s more likely to have happened at the test lab, since we know they did HCG testing and so presumably had HCG on site, I should note that cross-contamination of regular HCG at that concentration wouldn’t have done anything if it were done by the manufacturer.

    • It wasn’t HGH. It was hCG, human chorionic gonadotropin.

  12. White Rose on October 21, 2014 at 9:28 am said:

    Meanwhile the rambling nonsense continues over at AoA . It is simply unbelievable .

    I listened to a Bruce Springsteen song and the lyrics reflected the Autism situation or whatever .
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/10/will-tyrants-and-kings-test-the-ebola-vaccine.html#more

    Autism reminds me of a brilliant Woody Allen film – nevermind the fact there has never been a decent film made by Woody Allen .
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/10/dr-paul-wang-has-turned-autism-speaks-into-the-cdcs-lapdog.html#more

    But how is any of this nonsense relevant ? AoA is a joke . AoA is deliberately muddying the waters , every bit as dirty as Autism Speaks .

  13. sam hall on October 21, 2014 at 12:22 pm said:

    Here is the thing with this whole sorry mess………..

    Pinning your colours to any one single mast can only lead to bitter disappointment.
    AOA are without a shadow of a doubt infiltrated and are 100% controlled opposition Blaxill is tainted, Dan possibly/probably/ Kim ? ….and so on. Whenever a major story hits the headlines AOA post the story and bury it just as quickly. At the present there is no other story other than the CDC fraud yet they are rambling on to their readership about nonsense instead of encouraging them to march on congress.
    AOA actively discourage any kind of activism which might actually deliver results. They are infiltrated.

    Many other Autism orgs do not represent the values, experiences and opinion’s of the parents of vaccine injured children, Autism Speaks, GR, SM and so on and many of the leaders of these orgs have sold out on the community.

    So to come over here and say you’re not happy that Jake is showing no loyalty is plain stupid.
    There is no bloomin’ loyalty in this mess. Wakefield may or may not be a good fellow, he does not own autism or vaccine induced autism for that matter.
    If you want to do nothing and see no progress please subscribe to one of the web communities I mentioned – they are corralling the masses and you can have someone else do your thinking for you.

    If you actually want to bring down the criminals who knowingly were involved in this, it aint going to be pretty and you may loose some friends along the way . I think you need to get used to that.

    Colleen Boyle, Old Frankie boy DeStefano,, Julie Gerberding ( who also knew) these are the real crooks
    These folk need to be brought to justice. Old Frankie boy was still lying very recently- http://www.jpeds.com/content/JPEDSDeStefano
    If this was any other industry in the world they would be finished. That’s their names are already dirt in the eyes of many parents and this is just the start.

    All that said we still need the whistleblowers because they are validating everything we have been saying for decades.

    • Thank you, Sam. Very well said.

      • yankhadenuf on October 21, 2014 at 7:12 pm said:

        I am a regular reader of AoA every day, for years now. Everyone there knows there is an ongoing ACTIVE investigation via Congressman Posey. AoA is encouraging parents regarding Congressman Posey’s investigation, encouraging parents to send videos to him, encouraging parents to unite with Hear This Well team, in other words, encouraging active parental participation in a Congressional investigation. There are constant updated articles about CDC whistleblower from AoA. In all my years as autism parent, I have not seen such a plethora of information and focused unity simultaneously among autism parents. We have made #CDCwhistleblower hashtag to go viral on Twitter in the midst of a USA msm blackout. Congressman Posey’s investigation takes time. The point is, there IS an investigation.

        However, I am still at a complete loss as to what the real mission of THIS website really is! Is it an agent provocateur to provoke autism parents, incite them ….to do…what exactly? To go against people whose sole efforts have been to get Congress to move on CDC ? Well, this IS in fact being done, now, as we speak.

        So again, back to what is the real mission (motive?) of this site. Jake appears to have axes to grind, including with AoA (his bio even mentions it: “For nearly five years, he was contributing editor to Age of Autism where he eventually encountered resistance to his investigations into the activities of several of the blog’s sponsors (one of which is also an editor) and was ultimately blocked from writing for the site”). There’s intrigue, conflicts, office politics and drama about this site, but how about focusing on truth and justice for victims of autism/vaccines?

        I sense something sinister about this site, call it sixth sense, call it mother’s instinct, but I am calling it as I see it. It does not give me the warm fuzzies of parents united for our kids, it gives me the creeps. Ciao

        • I was kicked off AoA for being critical of its sponsors’ hijacking of the congressional hearings, similar to Wakefield’s current hijacking of the whistleblower story which AoA is unsurprisingly complicit in as well. There is a pattern here, which you refuse to see. I would imagine marring the issue with the name of a man who has outed the whistleblower without his permission would make any congressman skittish, even Bill Posey. I also think that is exactly what at least one person at AoA wants.

          You are right about one thing though, you won’t get warm fuzzies here. You will, however, get the full story. For someone who’s given the “creeps” by this site, you sure are commenting here a lot. But if you look to AoA as your source of information, so be it. Frankly, I consider a site that is plastered with advertising, that moderates out dissenting comments and that withholds news from its readers to be quite creepy, but that’s just me.

          • yankhadenuf on October 22, 2014 at 11:05 am said:

            Rebuttal: You confirm you were involved in AoA office politics and have an axe to grind, to the detriment of investigating AUTISM, your supposed mission. Had Wakefield not “hijacked” the whistleblower story, this guy would have never come out of the closet, and there would be no parental pressure on Congress from thousands of parents, which is what you pretend has not happened. It has, and the investigation has been handed over to the federal legal authorities by Congressman Posey(according to parent Tweets in cpntact with Congressman Posey’s office). Still very unclear what motive you have with autistic people and their parents, it is only clear that it is not autistic people and their parents.

            • All I wanted was for readers to be informed of what was happening with Congress. AoA rejected my original piece on the issue, opened the door a little by letting me run a follow-up piece (but did not let me moderate my own comments), then slammed the door and banished me from contributing and eventually commenting for good. I was fighting AoA’s office politics.

              The whistleblower was already coming forward, and Congress was already involved. If you are so curious about my motives or how I got involved, you can go back and read my archived posts at Age of Autism: http://www.ageofautism.com/jake-crosby. For that matter, it wouldn’t hurt to read some older posts on this site as well since it doesn’t seem like you’ve been following much. I’m not going to go out of my way by giving my life story to you here in the comments though.

  14. White Rose on October 21, 2014 at 4:17 pm said:

    http://www.jpeds.com/content/JPEDSDeStefano

    by Frank DeStefano, MD, MPH

    Want to see a liar in action – read this from Frank from 2013 . Bare faced liar , criminal & thief.

  15. White Rose on October 21, 2014 at 4:26 pm said:

    Msg for AoA , this is what a true activist sounds like (listen to the first 15 mins of this) :

    http://sfbayview.com/2014/10/cynthia-mckinney-on-autism-and-ferguson/

  16. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 8:04 am said:

    yankhadenuf – really ?

    I personally have been banned from AoA for simply asking repeatedly for clarification regarding

    1 . Mark Blaxills role in the sidelining of Brian Hooker Phd at Congress (Safeminds\Beth Clay)
    2. And Mark Blaxills role is scuppering the Omnibus legal challenge by 5000 parents .

    Perhaps you could finally give me simple response on behalf of AoA ?

  17. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 9:18 am said:

    Without this website , and Brian Hooker , there would be no William Thompson & governor Posey .
    The authorities are scrambling right now to recover the situation . They dont know what to do .
    They dont know who to bribe or pay off .

    AoA has played no part in this . In fact AoA tries to bury it – daily – as per agreed instructions .
    But if you want the back catalogue of Bruce Springsteen or the ratings of any Woody Allen films , then
    AoA is the place to go .

    Yank – perhaps you dont fully understand the situation , this is the biggest largest murkiest dirtiest story of all time – beats the Nazis by some considerable way . There will be double dealings and back stabbings .
    I dont trust anyone in this . Least of all the cdc . Total media black-out .

    Why are the paid opposition camped out here ? Because this is the coal face .

    We have proven the cdc has fiddled the figures . They have lied . They cannot be trusted .
    The evidence is all there in plain site . Vaccines cause Autism . & it is deliberate . Hg-enocide .

    Larry and all , are reduced to asking pathetic questions about the legality of the phone calls .
    Akin to the allies arriving at the concentration camps in 1944 and the remaining nazi guards demanding to see their search warrants !

    • yankhadenuf on October 22, 2014 at 1:03 pm said:

      You are preaching to the choir. I have been investigating autism/vaccine link over 10 years because of the interwebs. I am fully aware CDC has been lying and covering up for over 10 years. I cannot begin to tell you how many FOIA documents and autism/vaccine link studies I have read, both domestic and international. My kid (33 year old adult) is autistic(Asperger’s Disorder). My son is the rare 1 in 10,000. I was alone much of those decades, until the autism epidemic proliferated due to even more vaccines and more toxins. I am fully aware that he is one of millions throughout the world today that have autism, cancer, asthma, etc or died of SIDS etc, due to CDC corruption that led to millions of vaccine injuries throughout the world. I am fully aware this is more than Nazi Germany did in its crimes against humanity. Every parent I am in contact with is fully aware of all this. I have 4-digit followers on Twitter, the majority are autism parents. I have a small following compared to other autism parents, some of whom have 5-digit followers. Then there are the celebrity autism parents who have 6-and-7-digit followers. We are aware. We live it, we eat, sleep, and breathe it.

      Thousands of autism parents and Congressman Posey are on board with getting the job done, we are on the same page, have been ever since Brian Hooker published his paper. I keep reading on this site that parents need to march, unite, etc. We have been marching digitally for well over 4o days and nights, we are united, we have broken the msm media blackout and continue to do so, Congress Posey is investigating, and the documents have been handed over to the federal legal authorities. Now we wait for wheels of justice. In meantime, we parents are keeping vigil and are thousands of squeaky wheels going, day and night, united, until justice for our kids actually happens. We are motivated. We are relentless. Our motivation is our kids.

      My beef with this site is that it has agendas and motives and axes to grind that have nothing to do with the purpose “Investigating Autism”, and more to do with “Axes To Grind”.

  18. sam hall on October 22, 2014 at 11:15 am said:

    Yank – I mean you no ill.

    However you do represent a perfect corralled member of the masses. As I used to be to.
    I posted at AOA everyday for a time until I started asking hard questions and suggesting proper activism – not letter writing and inane internet posts- I too was banned from commenting.
    I was sent a personal email at one point to say quiet down about an issue regarding RFK. What was that all about …I still don’t know but he turned out to be completely compromised too.

    So here we have AOA
    The people who shunned Brian Hooker from the congressional hearings and instead presented a watered down pitch on the history of Thimerosal. As interesting as it may have been, where were the accusations of CDC wrongdoings which were public knowledge in the Autism Community- Mark Blaxill sort of forgot that on the biggest day in the recent history of this sorry story. They Dan, Mark, et all were the very folk who blocked Brian Hooker. That’s the same Brian Hooker BTW who filed over 100 FOI requests and made recordings of the little old Whistle Blower we are talking about today…….William Thompson. Wakefield nor AOA did that work that was Brian Hookers baby. And again for clarity I repeat AOA blocked Brian Hooker from speaking at the hearings – AOA nearly killed the only real chance this community had at outing the truth.

    In fact there is an article on AOA today, arguably a big day, as we have some new information being released later on about complaints being filed against the CDC. This article is written by who Kent…..a good guy but why on such an important day is not Dan or Mark dropping a line about this …..where is Blaxill in fact ?? My point is AOA is not driving anything here at all…………………

    Finally AOA did not do anything to drive the Hear this well Campaign., I believe it was Polly Tommey who started it and TMR jumped on it but AOA have to report this stuff if they are going to keep fooling and corralling the masses. On a breaking story, they will report it then bury it ………look at the archives you will see the pattern.

    Again Yank I mean you no ill, but eyes wide open all the time on this one. I have seen some of the worst human behaviour imaginable around this vaccine holocaust. And we aint seen nothing yet.

  19. Lawrence on October 22, 2014 at 12:35 pm said:

    @Jake – given that now Hooker and Wakefield have released even more intimate details regarding Thompson, including private health information, I believe we can call “game over” on this one.

    Any credibility that either of them had (either real or imagined) has now been deep-sixed by these latest “revelations.”

    Not only that, but that have now completed demolished any credibility Dr. Thompson might have had…..the anti-vax brigade shoots itself in the head, again.

    • Lawrence on October 22, 2014 at 2:19 pm said:

      I also am surprised that two individual who both now have “retracted” scientific papers, one of whom has been stripped of his license to practice, would expect to get any sort of response (besides a lot of laughter) from the people they’ve included in their diatribe…..

    • Dr. Thompson has no control over what Wakefield and Hooker do with the information provided to them.

    • One might see Dr. Thompson’s breakdown after acquiescing to fraud as the response of a man with a conscience when committing an act which will injure others. One might see DeStefano’s stammering response to Sharyl Attkisson’s questions as evidence of guilt.

      And one might see your comment about the anti-vax brigade “shooting itself in the head” as evidence of a violent and disturbed personality. Where your posts are concerned you may be tone deaf, but others are not. So keep up the good work.

      Dr. Thompson’s post-fraud health issues were surely not a secret to his enemies, who were biding their time to release the information at a time most advantageous to them. It’s in Thompson’s interest to get ahead of the story. I’m sure his lawyer briefed him on what to expect.

  20. yankhadenuf on October 22, 2014 at 1:12 pm said:

    Again, I feel completely misled by THIS site, it is not about “Autism Investigated” but about “Axes To Grind”.
    I have no problem with a site that investigates other sites, but call it “Autism Websites Investigated” or something that is clear about its true agenda.

    My only purpose is MY son. I thought I would get insight here about that. However, I do not.

    • I’ve defended Hooker for two years, including in the last four consecutive posts. My advocacy in defense of Wakefield has spanned even longer. Neither this article nor any other post on this site is written out of “Axes to Grind,” they’re written for good reasons. It’s obvious you don’t like my reasons.

    • Why are you even still here and commenting so prolifically if this site gives you the creeps, and you feel misled by it?

  21. yankhadenuf on October 22, 2014 at 1:52 pm said:

    PS I am aware of Polly Tommey and Hear This Well, Autism Media Channel, and Team TMR. Every parent I am in contact is aware of all of them.

    PPS If this site is interested in investigating pro-vax autism sites that deny there is CDC fraud and currently, actively shills vaccines to autism parents, please investigate Autism Speaks and Thinking Person’s Guide To Autism.

  22. sam hall on October 22, 2014 at 2:00 pm said:

    Yank you are quite right about Autism speaks I mentioned them earlier.

  23. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 2:06 pm said:

    Larry – if it were game over – why are you here ?

  24. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 2:08 pm said:

    “any credibility Dr. Thompson might have had”

    The intergrity of the whole vaccine program was riding on this mans name until 1 month ago Larry .

    • Lawrence on October 22, 2014 at 3:22 pm said:

      @WhiteRose – what?

      And to address your first question – I have to give Jake a lot of credit for disowning both Hooker & Wakefield – and exposing them both as the egomaniacs that they’ve always appeared to be.

      The CDC will laugh this complaint into the trashcan….again, coming from two individuals who have scientific retractions next to their name. And why isn’t Thompson a party to this complaint?

  25. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 3:10 pm said:

    Oh Larry Baby – are you boys going to abandon the law of the land & declare martial law .
    Because that is the ONLY way out I can see for you guys ,

    Looks like the biggest court case of ALL time to me . One you are going to lose .

    • Lawrence on October 22, 2014 at 4:33 pm said:

      @WhiteRose – given that this isn’t a civil complaint, there is no “Court” and very likely will be viewed as two individual with no standing making ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims….especially given that the person they claim provided them with the information isn’t even a participant in the actual complaint, itself.

      As this is laughed into obscurity, it will still allow Wakefield to solicit “funds” for yet another documentary….he’s really riding the gravy train on the backs of the folks at AoA, isn’t he?

  26. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 3:44 pm said:

    “The CDC will laugh this complaint into the trashcan”

    As it turns out you are nearly right – but let me correct you slightly .

    “the cdc is a trashcan” filled with scientific fraud

    • An actual trashcan would have been a better place for it than the CDC.

      • Lawrence on October 22, 2014 at 4:27 pm said:

        Thank you for agreeing with me Jake….

      • Victory on October 22, 2014 at 6:30 pm said:

        Yes, the trash can would of been a lot less trouble, but those currently in charge have to be served notice so they can’t comeback later and say they didn’t know. Based on the CDC’s past history they will lie and deny.

        • CDC knew already, but now they’re being given advanced knowledge of charges on a silver platter that should have come out in a congressional investigation, hearing, lawsuit or major news story. This premature showing of cards is a strategic disaster, and it is being given to CDC on a silver platter.

          Meanwhile, all the information in the complaint has been effectively scooped by its online posting that harms its chances of major news coverage while enabling the vaccine lobby’s social media trolls to pick it apart on blogs. And worst of all, Wakefield’s name is on it.

          • Lawrence on October 23, 2014 at 9:20 am said:

            @Jake – once again, we agree, but for slightly different reasons.

            If any of this actually mattered, was “real” or meant anything at all, you’re correct – it would be part of a lawsuit, congressional investigation or a major news story.

            But, instead, we have Wakefield and Hooker tilting at windmills and sending out a poorly edited (Hooker’s CV information is even incorrect in the complaint) diatribe that doesn’t even include the guy they claim to be so important to this situation.

            It is almost like they are sabotaging their own efforts – because you couldn’t have staged a more ineffective attempt if you tried…..

          • Victory on October 24, 2014 at 3:44 pm said:

            Jake, the point here is that it is the begining of a lawsuit, it seems obvious the way the complaint is laid out, as if it was being filed as a court document, therefore they have to defend themselves by law, I don’t expect them to answer this until court, not even in congress, just more lies as all the other congressional hearings, but in court it will be facts and yes or no questions that will do them in.

            • No, because then it would have been filed in a court.

              • Victory on October 24, 2014 at 5:36 pm said:

                It will be, and they will still have to answer the same questions.

                • Like I said, it would have been filed in a court. You don’t show the other side your cards like this before they’re even served.

                  • Lawrence on October 24, 2014 at 6:14 pm said:

                    This will never see the inside of a Courtroom, for a variety of reasons. Neither Hooker nor Wakefield have standing, the paper that this is all predicated on has been officially “retracted” so it might as well have never existed in the first place, Thompson himself never used the word “fraud” in his public statement (and he isn’t a party to this complaint), and in an actual Court case, both Hooker & Wakefield would be deposed and required to turn over all of the recordings.

                    That’s just a few reasons why this isn’t “real” and just more grandstanding by Wakefield to get more money from the faithful.

                    • Victory on October 24, 2014 at 7:59 pm said:

                      I see, the Moody law firm is also part of this scam you talk about where Dr.Wakefeild gets money from the vaccine injured childrens families, you’re desparation is rather amusing.

                    • Remember this complaint Jim Moody filed with the UK’s General Medical Council five years ago and gave a soapbox speech about on video in front of the GMC headquarters?

                      What happened to that?

                    • Lawrence on October 24, 2014 at 10:50 pm said:

                      Moody is a joke…..he might actually be worse than Wakefield.

                      You do realize how bad all of this looks – Moe, Larry & Curly have more credibility than this particular Three Musketeers….

                  • Victory on October 25, 2014 at 12:11 am said:

                    The same thing that will happen with the complaint with the CDC, nothing.If they are going to file a lawsulawsuit it

            • Jake, the point here is that it is the begining of a lawsuit

              There is no lawsuit, period. The only avenue would be the Federal Tort Claims Act, and there is no survivable theory.

  27. White Rose on October 22, 2014 at 4:20 pm said:

    You had better elaborate on that last comment Jake .
    We have these crooks cornered ?

    • Lawrence on October 22, 2014 at 8:29 pm said:

      @WhiteRose – I actually guffawed when I saw that….you sound like Custer at Little Big Horn – “We have them surrounded!!!!”

      Jake is right, you have Wakefield, who even Jake admits is hopelessly tainted & Hooker, who is relying on a now-retracted paper (how does one make a claim based on a paper that was officially retracted from publication?) and not even the “Whistleblower” is party to the complaint & you expect that this is going to do something?

      What exactly do you expect to happen here? There is no Court, there is no legal requirements nor anything other than Wakefield & now Hooker grandstanding for the faithful – in Wakefield’s case so he can ask for more funding to film another documentary.

      I admit, this is high comedy at this point – and the only reason I’m curious to see what happens next, is that I’m sure it’ll be good for more than a few laughs to watch more tilting at windmills. Just when I thought this overblown situation couldn’t get any funnier, Wakefield provides – it is fantastic to watch.

  28. Media Scholar on October 22, 2014 at 7:17 pm said:

    And why isn’t Thompson a party to this complaint?
    —————————————————
    Because you spy hards in the UK are tapping and scanning the wrong computers?

  29. Kerbob1 on October 23, 2014 at 6:21 am said:

    It really doesn’t matter if Andrew Wakefield seized upon Brian Hooker’s work and took center stage for himself or not.

    It really doesn’t matter if Hooker’s paper was retracted or not.

    It really doesn’t matter if the mainstream media is ethical enough to know what to do when two side play this prolonged game of publish and quash.

    What matters is courage. Courage to step out. Courage to see a wrong and call it wrong. Courage to stand and declare I will not be pushed and bullied into doing the wrong thing any longer.

    As I have said before, if you are working at the US Centers for Disease Control and want to step forward to clear your conscience, to repent of all the ugly things your superiors demand you do to innocent American infants and toddlers, Kerbob1 offers you his personal protection.

    Vioxx killed more Americans than active combat did during the Vietnam War. 53,000 young Americans, black and white, died for what they believed in, making things safe for their fellow countrymen and women. 57,000 unsuspecting Americans are believed to have died from taking a pain pill called Vioxx because they were told it would make their tomorrow a beautiful morning.

    Dr. David Graham stepped forward and took every bitter, vindictive shot his politically appointed superiors at FDA and drug lobbyists reigning over our elected officials could throw at him. He walked the halls of the FDA with rare, quiet courage.

    He stood in Congress, raised his right hand, swore to tell the truth, and sat down again. He expounded upon his findings patiently and in quiet manner.

    Do you have the courage to walk with Dr. William Thompson today?

    Sunny days and starry nights
    And lazy afternoons
    You’re counting castles in the clouds
    And humming little tunes

    But somehow right before your eyes
    The sun light fades away
    Everything is different
    And everything has changed

    If you feel lost and on your own
    And far from home
    You’re never alone, you know

    Just think of your friends
    The ones who care
    They all will be waiting there
    With love to share
    And your heart will lead you home

  30. White Rose on October 23, 2014 at 8:16 am said:

    Jake – please dont encourage Larry – the man actually lauds the criminals at the cdc .

    The cdc has taken a severe body blow any way you cut it . And for me the Little Big Horn analogy is exactly right , the cdc & Gerberding being surrounded by the Angry parent indians .
    And if Stephanie Seneff of MIT is correct – things are only going to get worse – 50% of all by 2025 .
    That means your children Larry , nephews and nieces . The target is on your back as well as mine .

    Kerbob – you are being very generous to Vioxx there with 57,000 . I think 157,000 is more the truth of it .

    • Acknowledging I agree with Larry on a point does not mean I “encourage” him.

      • Lawrence on October 23, 2014 at 10:25 am said:

        @Jake – thank you. Despite our differences, you at least exhibit a level of rationality that is missing from others here…..and noting that Wakefield and Hooker are basically participating in nothing more than a publicity stunt (to raise money for a “documentary” which will be sold to the faithful) is another example of that.

        At the end of the day, this is a tempest in a very, very small teapot….and Jake realizes that.

  31. Chris Preston on October 23, 2014 at 11:19 am said:

    Jake, I think you have to accept that Brian Hooker has hitched his wagon to Andrew Wakefield. Hooker is a bit of a light weight and seems to think that having Wakefield on board will give him more cachet. Wakefield, of course, is only in this for what he can get out of it. Now it just might be possible that Hooker has been properly gulled by Wakefield, but given what Wakefield has done recently – outed William Thompson, released the text exchanges he and his wife had with Thompson and generally grandstanded on Hooker’s supposed whistleblower – Brian Hooker can only be in on the plan.

    Perhaps, the saddest part of all is that the reason for the retraction of Brian Hooker’s paper is in the 34 page letter he and Andrew Wakefield released to the public and it looks like Brian Hooker won’t tell you.

    The letter to the CDC is such an amateur job that gets so many significant details wrong that it is going to place some serious egg on Brian Hooker’s face. It should be an interesting ride. It will be sad for the parents of autistic children though. It will waste a lot of effort that could be put to better use.

    • I do accept it, though I’m not happy about it.

      I’m not sure what you’re referring to as the reason for Hooker’s retraction. It was not even acknowledged in his and Wakefield’s letter even though the retraction was made the week before the letter was sent.

      • Lawrence on October 23, 2014 at 1:17 pm said:

        Very interesting that Hooker / Wakefield would omit the fact that the paper they base their entire complaint on has been official retracted (might as well not even exist & certainly demolishes whatever credibility they thought they had).

        As to Congress – what do you really expect is going to happen? Posey might call another hearing, though he probably will not – you’d think, with the Republicans singling out the CDC over the Ebola response, that this would also give them talking points….but what do we hear? Crickets…lots and lots of crickets.

        Posey will string the AoA’ers along to get more campaign contributions, but to think that in this day and age, that he’ll actually do anything? Then those folks are even more delusional than I would have thought.

        • I’m not sure it was deliberately omitted. Most likely they just wrote it was deleted before the retraction and never updated it before sending it out. Either way, it looks bad.

          I’m sure we’ll have a better idea of what Congress will do or will not do after election day…

      • Chris Preston on October 23, 2014 at 11:14 pm said:

        Well, the 34-page letter mentions in a footnote on Page 6 that the undeclared COI was Hooker’s Board Membership of Focus Autism, the funding body. The writer of the letter tries to hand wave this away on the basis that the funding decision was made before Hooker joined the Board. However, the reality is that you have to declare such things as potential conflicts of interest.

        There may be more than this, but if there is it will be deeply embarrassing for Hooker.

        • I was aware of that; an undeclared COI is not grounds for a retraction according to the COPE guidelines BMC claims to follow. Even the initial deletion of the article from the journal’s website went against the publisher’s policy on permanency of articles. That must have unfavorably biased any post-publication review of Hooker’s paper. What Hooker should really be doing at this point is pressuring the publisher and journal to reinstate his paper, not hooking up with Wakefield to make futile complaints to the federal agency at the heart of the problem.

          • Chris Preston on October 24, 2014 at 6:22 am said:

            An undeclared COI can be grounds for retraction if it is held to have compromised the peer review process or acceptance by the journal. In this case, the editor believes it compromised the peer review process. How is not specified, but the wording does rather suggest that one of the peer reviewers was in a position to be influenced by the Board of Focus Autism or someone on the Board.

            Hooker’s paper won’t be re-instated because the subsequent exposure that the statistical analysis was inappropriate and therefore the results and conclusions were unsafe. The only way the paper could be re-instated is if the statistical analysis was done correctly, something that appears to be beyond the skill of Brian Hooker.

            • No, an undeclared COI is not grounds for retraction according to COPE guidelines which are the standard BMC holds itself to. I read the compromise of peer review to simply mean the peer reviewers were just not made aware of Brian Hooker’s board membership, as only he was mentioned in the retraction as having any outstanding interests and not anyone else. That said, they were made aware of his litigation involvement. If anything was compromised, it was the post-publication review of Hooker’s paper due to the deletion of his article and subsequent false reports that it was already retracted.

              Hooker’s analysis was perfectly appropriate, and his results were the same as those of DeStefano. Hooker even said in the paper he used a similar method and still got the same results.

              Anyway, if you want to discuss the retraction or methodology more – this is not the right post. I would suggest discussing the former under this post and the latter under this one. As you can see, I have had these same debates with others and their arguments were no more convincing.

              • Chris Preston on October 24, 2014 at 8:15 am said:

                COPE Guidlines state:

                “Journal editors should consider retracting a publication if:
                • they have clear evidence that the findings are unreliable, either as a result of misconduct (e.g. data fabrication) or honest error (e.g. miscalculation or experimental error) ”

                Research misconduct includes more than data fabrication. It also includes:

                “… falsification, plagiarism or deception in proposing, carrying out or reporting the results of research, and failure to declare or manage a serious conflict of interest.”

                So it would seem that Biomed Central followed their own guidelines.

          • Lawrence on October 24, 2014 at 9:13 am said:

            @Jake – since you haven’t seen the retraction letter & Hooker is no longer speaking with you (apparently) you don’t know the exact reasons why the paper was retracted.

            The journal won’t be any more specific, in public, about the retraction standards and how they applied to the paper – only the paper & Hooker know that.

            If Hooker isn’t talking & going down this other road, it means that he realizes the “game is up” and there is no chance to get the paper back up…..if the author has given up, that really says something about the paper & the quality of the results.

  32. White Rose on October 23, 2014 at 1:13 pm said:

    So if I was employed to cause Hg-enocide I’d become anxious too – it isnt me – no way – same as Thompson.
    He tried to stop these crimnals at the time (Carol – you might like that bit).
    And its weighed very heavily on him – as you’d expect .
    Has he been continuously employed ever since by the cdc ? I believe he has .
    Has he been signed off sick for stress , all of those years , I havent heard it said anywhere ?

    I think the accusations still stand . The cdc has Cheated , Decieved , Conspired to hide data which proved vaccines cause Autism .

    Now you are in cloud cukoo land if you think the media will ever help us . the nonsense they have published over the years is quite laughable , time and again the censorship is glaring .

    What is the autism rate amongst Somalian imigrants to the West ? 1 in 8 –
    The cdc’s own hidden data supports this.

    “It will waste a lot of effort that could be put to better use.” Lets hear your suggestions Chris ?
    I bet there arent any !

    • justthestats on October 23, 2014 at 4:25 pm said:

      time and again the censorship is glaring .

      Like I said before, I’d be fascinated to see some documentation backing that up. Are you, personally, being censored at this moment? Is there anything you can say about that without fear of serious repercussions? Can you comment on who is doing the censoring, and by what authority they are doing it?

      If I don’t hear a reply, I’ll have to imply that you have a British-style superinjunction, or maybe something like a US National Security Letter. Those things are odious. But be strong – maybe you can find some way around it. For instance, when The Guardian got a superinjunction that prevented them from reporting the proceedings of Parliament, they found a loophole: they were allowed to say what day they weren’t able to report was, and they were able to say which law firm was used to obtain that injunction. That was enough for people to figure out exactly what the injunction was about. Even if your injunction was super-tight, you could probably get around it by giving us a large list of organizations that haven’t censored you, and we can maybe figure out who is from the absence.

  33. White Rose on October 23, 2014 at 2:19 pm said:

    Larry , simple question for you ?

    Mercury containing Flu vaccines for pregnant women ? good or bad ?

    answer that Mr CDC !

  34. Lawrence on October 23, 2014 at 2:50 pm said:

    @whiterose – since flu vaccines don’t contain elemental mercury, the question is moot.

  35. White Rose on October 23, 2014 at 2:53 pm said:

    Out of interest Chris Preston ?

    Are you involved in Glyphosphate testing ?
    If so give us all your views on GM ? please

    • Chris Preston on October 23, 2014 at 11:20 pm said:

      White Rose, GM technology is a very broad area. It has for example provided safe human insulin for diabetics and safe human growth hormone for children with HGH deficiency.

      Do you have any specific questions you would like answered? Because I am guessing that Jake would probably prefer this thread to stay on topic.

  36. White Rose on October 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm said:

    Larry , your opinion on themiserol containing vaccines being given to pregnant women please ?

    Hg-enocide or not ?

  37. Jake,

    In terms of timeline, Dr. Thompson was kindly inclined toward Dr. Wakefield on Aug 20, 2014, AFTER the events you describe as treacherous to Dr. Thompson. This is detailed in published texts between the two of them, as well as dr. Wakefield’s wife Carmel. Please square this with your thesis. I am curious. Confused.

    http://truthbarrier.com/2014/09/02/breaking-news-cdc-whistleblower-text-messages-to-andy-wakefield-study-would-have-supported-his-scientific-opinion/

    • You mean August 27th? August 20th was two days before he was outed.

      Regardless of his views on Wakefield, Dr. Thompson was still outed without his permission.

      • Who cares !!!!

          • Why Jake??

            This guy knew that MMR was causing autism as early as 2000, probably even earlier. And he knowingly withheld that information from parents.

            My child was born perfectly healthy in 2003, and regressed into autism before he was two years old, after receiving both of his MMR shots.

            I am one of the parents he withheld that information form, and my child is vaccine injured today because of it. His last minute scrambling to save his own ass does nothing for me. I want this guy to burn hell, after he spends the rest of his miserable life in jail!

            And for God sakes, leave Andy Wakefiled alone. He’s one of the only doctors who actually tried to help our vaccine injured children. And he’s already suffered enough for it.

            • Why not?

              It unnecessarily attaches Wakefield’s name to the story when it shouldn’t be, prematurely gives the whistleblower’s identity away to CDC and kills any chances of widespread media coverage. While you complain about Dr. Thompson, don’t forget that his colleagues are still lying. Outing him prematurely doesn’t punish him for the fraud he was complicit in, it’s punishing him for speaking out. What Wakefield did was extremely destructive in ways we likely have yet to fully realize, and Hooker is only compounding that destruction by hooking up with Wakefield.

              Btw, I seem to recall we’ve been though this before.

            • justthestats on October 24, 2014 at 4:08 pm said:

              Well, according to the table he’s purported to have had, there’s a significant interaction in some kind of logistical model for a few subgroups. Correlation is not necessarily causation, and neither is that. It’s especially not causation when it goes away when you control for other variables, as in this case. So it’s pretty hard to say that he knew for sure that MMR caused autism.

              But before you accuse him of withholding information that could have been valuable to you, you should double-check your child’s shot records to make sure that he’s a Black child that received his first MMR vaccine either between the ages of 12 -15 months or 16-18 months, since those are the only interactions with a statistically significant OR, and so are the only subgroups where causation was even plausible. If your child is White, Other, or of unknown race, or received his first vaccine before 12 months or after 18 months, Thompson had pretty strong evidence that MMR would not cause autism.

              • Not if you’re referring to the isolated subgroup. Also, I note that black children vaccinated in the 19-35 month ranges had an odds twice as high that just fell below the range of significance. If they were analyzed was one whole comparison group rather than broken down into two separate categories, I’ll bet you’d get a statistically significant association by virtue of a greater sample size.

                • justthestats on October 27, 2014 at 8:58 pm said:

                  Not if you’re referring to the isolated subgroup.

                  Good point. Barry, did you non-randomly sample your son, not notice what race he is, and have him vaccinated before 36 months? In that case, he might have had information that would be useful to you. But not if you noticed that he was White, Black, or Other, it wouldn’t have been applicable because those subgroups either weren’t significant or didn’t have enough cases.

                  Oh, and as you can read in Table 4, of DeStefano et al., once you do the same kind of statistical adjustments that every good study does, the kind of adjustments that tend to amplify real effects and make misleading associations go away, there isn’t actually a statistically significant effect. So they weren’t sitting on proof of anything, other than more evidence that vaccines aren’t likely to be the cause you’re looking for.

                  Also, I note that black children vaccinated in the 19-35 month ranges had an odds twice as high that just fell below the range of significance. If they were analyzed was one whole comparison group rather than broken down into two separate categories, I’ll bet you’d get a statistically significant association by virtue of a greater sample size.

                  Jake, statistical significance isn’t something like the line you cross in football to score a touchdown. The proper response for an OR that has a p of 0.051 is “hmm, maybe there might be a weak association there. Probably not. We would need more evidence to nail that down.” The proper response for an OR that has a p of 0.049 is “hmm, maybe there might be a weak association there. Probably not. We would need more evidence to nail that down.”

                  We pick a cutoff for significance because it’s convenient to do so, but that doesn’t mean that all things that pass that test are equally meaningful. Borderline numbers are borderline regardless of where they fall.

            • jennifer on October 25, 2014 at 7:30 am said:

              I can perhaps reassure you that the data only points to an elevated risk when MMR is received between 24 and 36 months.

              Oh, and it your child black?

              • Really? I SAW what MMR did to my child, and you’re trying to reassure me with “data points” suggest that the risk only exists between the ages of 24 and 36 months? And that it’s only a risk for black children?

                How idiotic

                • justthestats on October 27, 2014 at 9:25 pm said:

                  Really? I SAW what MMR did to my child, and you’re trying to reassure me with “data points” suggest that the risk only exists between the ages of 24 and 36 months? And that it’s only a risk for black children?

                  You said that you are one of the parents Thompson withheld those data points form, and that your child is vaccine injured today because of it. Those are the data points. They really only suggest those specific risks. They don’t suggest risks to other ages or races.

                  And they don’t suggest them very strongly. It’s really more a “maybe if you close your eyes, click your heels together three times and shout ‘I believe!’ they might hint that it might be the case” level of suggestion. It’s not a smoking gun. It’s not even a gun. They’re for the most part very weak associations, and they all go away when other predictors are controlled for. Real causes tend to be strong associations and get stronger or stay unchanged when other predictors are controlled for.

                • Chris Preston on October 28, 2014 at 4:03 am said:

                  Well Barry, if you accept that the analysis that Brian Hooker did in his retracted paper was correct, that is exactly what the outcome was.

                  Personally, I am going for the option that Hooker produced a spurious result due to the misapplication of statistical methods and there is in fact no correlation between age of first MMR and autism diagnosis.

      • Celia, I’ll only believe those photos of pictures of maybe a cell phone, ownership unknown, if Thompson speaks out through his lawyer and acknowledges them as being sent from him. In the meantime, they are just another possible lie from Wakefield who has already lied repeatedly.

  38. I am confused. Did Dr. Thompson ever call himself a whistleblower prior to being outed? His being outed was without his permission, but excuse me if I am wrong, he never spoke to a journalist about his wrongdoing did he? He never approached any authorities at the CDC to announce seeking a whistleblower status until after he was made known to the public and the CDC.
    If Dr. Thompson wanted to seek protection and not have his identity revealed then he should of sought the help of journalist.
    All Dr. Hooker ever admitted to being to this man was his pseudo priest. This man’s come to Jesus moment does not make Dr. Hooker responsible for what he told him. An individual is under no obligation to a law breaker. In fact, if Dr. Hooker was made aware of this information and he did not reveal what he had been told, he might be involved in the cover up. Dr. Hooker has no rights as a journalist.
    I liken Dr. Hooker’s discussions with this man to those of a detective talking to a criminal. Getting the details of the crime before the defendant knows to shut up.

    • They were trying to take this story to a media outlet that hopefully would have taken it, but Wakefield blew any chances of that.

      • Victory on October 24, 2014 at 2:42 pm said:

        The old mainstream media is the largest part of the problem, do you really see them standing up for the vaccine injured? No, of course not, in the end if they did do a story it would be spun around and turned into another advertisement for vaccines by CDC officials saying there’s no reason not to get vaccinated. For those that want their voices heard the internet is the way to go, that’s where the real research is done by the educated and those that want both sides of a story, those still clinging to the likes of 60 minutes, and 20/20 are a tiny fraction. Wakefield did the right thing, the only thing other than do nothing.

        • No, but I did see Lisa Goes demonstrate complete ignorance about Dr. Thompson’s whistle-blowing when interviewed about it on MSNBC. I also saw Rebecca Estepp fail to mention the whistleblower on CNN and suggest newborns get the pertussis vaccine because of pertussis outbreaks, even though they’re because the vaccine is ineffective. That all said, no one blew the opportunity to get the story out more than Wakefield.

    • Again Jake if you were to wait for Dr. Thompson to come forward as a whistleblower I do not think this would have worked for Dr. Hooker. Dr. Hooker had to let others know what he knew to protect himself and Dr. Thompson. Again he had no protection as a journalist.
      When you say they were trying to take the story to a media outlet, who are they? Do you mean Dr. Hooker and Dr. Thompson or Dr. Hooker and Dr. Wakefield?
      You know Glenn Greenwald lives outside of the US in Brazil and has faced tremendous pressure from the US in regards to Edward Snowden. Not just any media outlet would be willing to take a story as big as the CDC whistleblower. No one wants to touch it.

  39. White Rose on October 24, 2014 at 9:23 am said:

    Courtesy of the wonderful Anne Dachel :
    http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/call-to-end-use-of-mercury-in-vaccines/1587843/page-1.html

    Leading doctors have called for an end to the use of mercury in vaccines to avoid potential threat to health of children. The call has come at a time when India has agreed to ratify the Minamata Convention – the international treaty banning use of mercury – and phase out the use of the toxic element over the coming decade.

    “Continuing to use this potentially toxic substance when there is little justification for it, will erode the trust of the public and endanger many public health initiatives,” Jacob Puliyel and Ritika Chhawchharia of the Department of Pediatrics at St Stephens Hospital in New Delhi states. …

  40. White Rose on October 24, 2014 at 11:28 pm said:

    Question for Chris Preston – if you are still reading ? on the topic of GM (& vaccines)

    Hopefully you know of the Marburg incident 1967 .
    Would you care to comment on the subsequent suggestions by serious heavyweights later that Ebola was a man made GM recombinant ?
    for example: John Landon who I believe is now based in North Wales running a company called MicroPharm aged 83+ but there are several others also .

    Before you say it , I believe I am on topic here , Ebola and vaccines (like strawberries & cream) .
    The murky devilishly evil world of vaccine science.

    • justthestats on October 25, 2014 at 9:58 pm said:

      I’m not Chris Preston, but I can say I personally wouldn’t believe it unless it could be shown that it could have been done with the technology of the time. Ebola was discovered in 1976. I’m not familiar with the recombinant tech of the 70’s if there was any, but the tech we had twenty years later would have left some very telltale signs. So the second thing I’d need was a demonstration that it had those signs.

    • Chris Preston on October 27, 2014 at 3:27 am said:

      The Marburg Virus is a related virus that is also hosted in fruit bats. There are several lines of evidence that point to Ebola being a natural virus, rather than man-made. Firstly, the first deliberately genetically-engineered organism was made in 1974 only two years before Ebola was identified. Secondly, Ebola is asymptomatic in its fruit bat hosts, suggesting thousands of years of co-evolution. Thirdly, there are several Ebola strains that differ by up to 35% of their genome. Fourthly, it is not that closely related to Marburg Virus.

  41. On reading the complaint, I find myself wondering if Hooker really had anything at all to do with writing it. It refers to him as “Assistant Professor at Redding University”, but as we all know, he’s an Associate Professor at Simpson University.

    • It is obvious that Brian Hooker has not signed on to this complaint because he actually believes it will make any kind of headway against the CDC. He has signed on to it to please Wakefield, which has become Hooker’s new priority.

    • Lawrence on October 26, 2014 at 3:32 pm said:

      @Sarah – that’s just embarrassing…it’s like no one actually bothered to proof the complaint before it was sent out (and to get something like that wrong, well, it just speaks for itself).

    • Chris Preston on October 27, 2014 at 1:58 am said:

      I am convinced that Hooker was involved in the complaint. There are things in there that could only have come from Hooker. Whether Hooker wrote it is an interesting question. His signature looks like it is directly on the paper, whereas Wakefield’s signatures have been scanned and inserted in the document.

      I noticed the error associated with Hooker’s position and University when I first read the document. It is characteristic of the bumbling nature of the rest of the complaint. Whoever wrote this has also misquoted the section of the CDC Analysis Plan that forms the central plank of the complaint.

  42. White Rose on October 26, 2014 at 9:47 pm said:

    yeah Larry ,lets not worry about just the stats , which say not only that vaccines cause autism , but that
    the holocaust has been running for 14+ years now and has been taken international to such an extent that we are talking about 10’s of millions of babies & children maimed for life . Quite simply the most despicable heinous crime ever ever committed ever .

    Lets talk about the important stuff , the geographical location of where phone calls were made & whether Hookers post is associate or assistant professor .

    the facts don’t look good Larry boy , Somalians 1 in 8 , Ugandans 1 in 6 & the cdc knew it .

  43. White Rose on October 27, 2014 at 9:21 pm said:

    Sunday, October 26th, 2014

    CDC: You’re Fired. Autism Coverup Exposed.

    Posted by Kelly Brogan MD

    The dam is leaking, and the flood is coming. Are you ready to stand strong?

    Fraud.

    A powerful accusation, sensational, provocative. When we think of fraud, what comes to mind? Images of avarice-driven men putting their greed before the best interest of a larger population. Does it feel different when it is a woman behind the mask? What about a woman charged with “Saving Lives. Protecting People.” as is the CDC’s claim? What if that larger population put at risk is our infants, babies, and children?

    Today, I am calling all women, to hear this news, let it permeate deep down to the core of their primal instincts, and say, enough is enough.

    As citizens of this capitalist nation, we cannot rely on corporate-sponsored news media for the truth. We must source it from trusted independent outlets,informed experts, and even going to the available science, ourselves. It is time to reclaim our health, and that of our families, once and for all. When we outsource our native wisdom, our belief in the fundamental strength of our minds and bodies, to corporations whose primary fiduciary responsibility is to their shareholders, we are sacrificing ourselves, and our children. Women and children are the sheep being led off the ledge. I have written about a known 4250% increase in fetal demise during the 2009/10 flu season, about evidence-based inefficacy and risks of the pertussis vaccine pushed on pregnant women, about Gardasil killing healthy girls across the globe, fear mongering aboutSIDS that is actually caused by a visit to the pediatrician, and of the corruption of an infant’s birthday by the Hepatitis B vaccine. In rejecting the paradigm of vaccination, it is important to grasp the nature of the political beast that is pushing vaccines into the arms (legs and buttocks) of every American.

    This week, devotees to the shrine of conventional medicine that is vaccination, are called to the floor.

    After Dr. Brian Hooker’s requests through the Freedom of Information Act for original MMR study documentation, a CDC Immunization Safety Researcher, Dr. William Thompson has buckled under the pressure of his conscience, and come forth as a whistle blower. These documents demonstrated a 340% increase in the incidence of autism in African American boys, expunged from the final study results in a violent act of scientific fraud. In response to this now recovered letter from Dr. Thompson addressing this finding, the CDC retroactively altered the data to eliminate the signal of harm. In light of this 2004 letter confirming CDC awareness and suppression of these findings, CDC head, Dr. Julie Gerberding committed perjury before moving onto her position at Merck in the Vaccine Division. Dr. Hooker has published the unadulterated finding here.

    http://kellybroganmd.com/article/cdc-youre-fired-autism-coverup-exposed/

  44. Media Scholar on October 29, 2014 at 2:36 pm said:

    I had not seen this priorly from Gary Franchi. He makes solid points about Dr. Thompson’s menstruations about privacy.

    http://youtu.be/JSlOOHGXssE

    Well we’ve been waiting for it and it has finally happened. CDC Whistleblower Doctor William Thompson, has now issued a public statement affirming the massive fraud at the CDC. He issued the statement through the law offices of Morgan Verkamp who, in 2012, were named “Whistleblower Lawyers of the Year.”

    Dr. Thompson broke his decade long silence, with his charges against the federal agency, when he reached out to Dr. Brian Hooker to assist him in taking a second look at the MMR / Autism link data buried by the CDC.

    Thompson’s statement reads, “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”

    This is a historically significant moment for families with Vaccine Damaged children. The magnitude of this admission and its legal implications could see the CDC and Federal Government held liable for Billions of dollars in damages to those affected families.

    It is important to note that the wolves are out already attempting to redirect the debate to whether or not Dr. Hooker and Dr. Wakefiled violated Thompson’s trust as Thompson stated several of the talks between Hooker and Thompson were recorded without his knowledge.

    However should Thompson expect any level of privacy as an employee of the federal government, paid with public funds, admitting involvement in a massive cover-up with the CDC?

    Well the courts may have to decide that one AFTER the long list of defendants and the CDC get their turn in front of the millions of vaccine damaged families they traded in for big bucks from big pharma.

  45. Media Scholar on November 6, 2014 at 11:09 am said:

    http://media.wix.com/ugd/b3aa2b_da6435ff9a2144d6aa3358fec58550af.pdf

    This letter of complaint by Wakefield, Hooker, etc. begs one question about the so called integrity of people popping off about Hooker’s paper TO HIS PUBLISHER….how come Hooker found, almost immediately, the CDC fudged figures by inserting a birth certificate wedge into the study, but the Pediatrics “peer reviewers” did not, and the total joirks fencing CDC paste as true gems boasting of how they got Hooker’s paper retracted “upon peer re-re-review” failed to find the fudge factor?

    opprobrium – 1. the disgrace or the reproach incurred by conduct considered outrageously shameful; infamy. 2. a cause or object of such disgrace or reproach.

    • justthestats on November 6, 2014 at 8:01 pm said:

      You seem to be under the impression that the birth certificate data was thrown in after the fact in order to fudge something. The actual research plan that they are quoting from always included getting the birth certificate data. But even if they had changed methodology midstream, peer review wouldn’t have caught that. it’s not like peer reviewers can conduct forensic investigations into the papers they review.

      But to answer your question, it’s because there isn’t anything untoward or “fudging” about the birth certificate data. There’s a very common phenomenon in statistics where two things look like they are related to each other, but really they are both related to something else. We have techniques that help to help determine when that relation is direct or not.

      Here’s an example to make things a little clearer. If you measure daily deaths by accidental drowning vs. daily ice cream consumption, you’ll find that they are related. That’s the kind of measurement that Hooker reported and that you’re alleging was shameful to not report. But it’s not evidence that Big Dairy is making people drown!

      If you compare both drowning rates and ice cream sales to the day’s high temporature, you’ll find that both are more closely related to the temporature than to each other. But that still doesn’t mean necessarily that the drownings are caused by the weather directly. If someone were to do a study that looked at the weather, ice cream sales, and drownings, and the math said that the ice cream sales just looked like they were related to drownings because they were both related to the weather, what would you think about their integrity if they decided to ignore that and claim that ice cream causes drowning? What would you think about someone who reported that the math said that ice cream was not related, but the weather was?

      If you instead measure against the number of people that go swimming on that day, you’ll find that it matches drownings even better than the outside temperature. Swimming doesn’t cause accidental drowning, but it’s sure a lot easier to do when you are swimming. That’s the real source of the relationship. It also illustrates that even when there is a legitimate relationship between two numbers it doesn’t always mean that one causes the other.

      The DeStephano paper was a lot more like the second example that just had weather and ice cream. It was more complicated in that there were more than two variables that they looked at, and at the end of the day the math said that those variables were all kind of more related to each other than any of them were useful as predictors of autism, either individually or combined. So that’s what they reported. And that’s why none of the peer reviewers had a problem with what they did.

      Are there ways of burying results with statistics? Yes, but this isn’t one of them. Real associations become stronger or at least no weaker when you do the math to weed out the relationships and effects of other variables. “You should control for fewer variables so that more spurious associations show up,” said no peer reviewer ever.

      If it were anything other than vaccines and autism, what would you think about the integrity of someone who knew that the statistics said that something was related to something else when he knew or had the data available to know that the statistics showed it was probably a false positive? Would you be surprised if the publisher, when made known of that fact, were to retract the paper?

      • I’m rather dubious about that document. It says “final” in the URL name, but it’s just a draft according to the document itself. Dr. Thompson believes the final study protocol was breached.

        • justthestats on November 13, 2014 at 9:51 pm said:

          So you’re thinking that they first had the birth certificate stuff in that draft which is dated right before the study was approved, then removed it from the final version, even though that would weaken the study significantly, didn’t bother to create a new version of the document that didn’t have the birth certificate part in it, and then after they ran the preliminary data they decided to get the exact same birth certificate data anyway?

          Isn’t “Dr Thompson misremembered a few details of something that happened almost a decade ago” a more plausable explanation?

          • “…before the study was approved…”

            Ergo, not the final, approved version.

            • justthestats on November 14, 2014 at 6:15 pm said:

              What I’m trying to say is that even if the filename is wrong about that being the last version, it’s still not consistent with the “we decided to get birth certificate data halfway through the study” narrative. It’s there before the study began.

              • “Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data was collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.” -So according to Dr. Thompson, it was the choice over which findings to report that was in breach of protocol.

  46. Jake, you might be interested to know that Andrew Wakefield paid himself a lot of money from the Strategic Autism Initiative. SAI was supposed to be giving out grants for research, but instead Wakefield paid himself a salary of 50% of all the money they took in. SAI was really a mechanism of keeping Andrew Wakefield in the lifestyle to which he had become accustomed. SAI only gave out $80K in grants, but Wakefield was paid $316K.

    http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/11/07/andrew-wakefield-paid-316k-to-administer-80k-in-grants-by-the-strategic-autism-inititiative/

    • Lawrence on November 8, 2014 at 12:46 pm said:

      @Sarah – not only that, but NONE of the research sponsored by those grants has been published either….I wonder how much of that managed to make its way back into Wakefield’s pocket.

      It would be very interesting for Jake to “follow the money” and do an expose on exactly what Wakefield has been doing with all of that donated money.

    • That is just embarrassing – worse than Autism Speaks.

  47. White Rose on November 11, 2014 at 11:45 am said:

    Just the stats – brilliant analogy – the big dairy thing .
    Do you think the dairy industry is behind the worldwide vaccine autism epidemic too ?
    I hadnt thought of that . just brilliant .
    If Jake allows us to post up the before and after vaccination photo’s on here , you could talk us all through which flavour ice creams caused the neurological catastrophe in each case ……joker .

    Jake , I’m a fan as you know , but you are deluded about this hand of poker , and how the media might have written the story up if the hand had been played differently !
    This is a total 100% news blackout through elite ownership (look at the BBC). The story leaks well enough in cultures where they have not tied up the loose ends (eg , India , Chad , Kenya , Uganda , Chile etc )
    On Wakefield I am still undecided whether his role is good or bad .
    Amongst the parents of the vaccine damaged , the William Thompson story has really run some miles , everyone is talking about it , and that is a serious problem for the CDC et al which is good in itself .
    I’m grateful for what William Thompson has done and I dont think the situation will ever return to the way it was from ow on . Sure the struggle will continue but now we know perfectly well its personal & its criminal.

    It really is saying something when you think that the most honest person in the vaccine industry is Poul Thoresen .

  48. Media Scholar on November 14, 2014 at 4:47 am said:

    If you measure daily deaths by accidental drowning vs. daily ice cream consumption, you’ll find that they are related.
    ———————–
    Wut?

    In either case, warm weather increases swimming and ice cream consumption.

    When fifty percent of the US population gets vaccines, the rare adverse events are few. When eighty-five percent of the US gets vaccines, the rare adverse events are less few.

    • justthestats on November 18, 2014 at 6:52 pm said:

      I was explaining why even if Hooker’s result was a real relationship and not a quirk of the data it still wouldn’t mean that there was a direct causal relationship between the variables involved.

      When fifty percent of the US population gets vaccines, the rare adverse events are few. When eighty-five percent of the US gets vaccines, the rare adverse events are less few.

      Almost twice as many.

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